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The Dreaming: Watch Me Rant About the 3-Book Format!! [Nov. 13th, 2006|10:07 am]
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The Dreaming v2: First of all, a fan told me that "The Dreaming" vol2 is officially due to go on sale on November 21st. However, some people have already read it, most chain bookstores have already got a copy on November 7th, and Amazon.com started selling on October 31st. Oops. At least the first chapter preview of book2 is still up here. Enjoy.

Here I Go: Secondly, I've been asked to write a few paragraphs about the state of OEL/global manga by Benjamin from Newsrama, which I was happy to do. I had intended to do my few paragraphs about the OGN (Original Graphic Novel) format TOKYOPOP hands out to its creators, and the issues I dealt with in writing for such a format. By "format", I mean the "a single story in 3 books" format, each book being between 150-180 pages. I then went on the net to check my email, and lo, I find a "Fool's Gold" review and another article that deals with the very topic. Christopher did mentioned what he liked about "Fool's Gold", and while I don't agree with the rest of his review, I can see where he's coming from. The same goes with the second article, by Johanna.

Both articles dealt with issues involving story structure in an on-going OGN series, and as someone drawing such a series myself, I want to talk about some of the difficulties involved, and shed some light on the subject before the mud-flinging goes into full-swing. Everything here is just my opinion and relates mostly to "The Dreaming", so I hope people can use this as food for thought. Obviously, it helps if you've read the first 2 volumes of "The Dreaming".

Structuring "The Dreaming"
"The Dreaming" was originally conceived as a single story. However, because of the 3-book format, I had to do this to it:

a) Break this SINGLE story in THREE EQUALLY-LONG PARTS
b) Make each part RELATIVELY SELF-CONTAINED
c) Make each part have its own NARRATIVE ARC (ie. build-up, climax, resolution)
d) Make ALL THREE PARTS be in chronological order
e) Make ALL THREE PARTS fit into a SINGLE OVER-ARCHING NARRATIVE
f) Bonus challenge: This is a mystery-horror series

Why does each book need to have a self-contained narrative arc, especially when readers know it's only the first of 3 books? Well, it's because even if your readers know they're getting only 1/3 of a story, they won't care. When people pick up an OGN, they unconsciously expect something self-contained, regardless of what they know about it. If a single story is NOT fed to you in one go, but in large chunks, it's a natural human instinct to want some form of closure for each chunk fed. This is especially true if there's a one-year wait in between each feeding. That's why I went out of my way to ensure that at the end of each "The Dreaming" volume, a number of loose plot threads are tied up. I also end it on a cliff-hanger, because tying up plot threads tend to make the reader think the story's over. No. That's bad. You're supposed to tie up loose plot threads AND make them want to read the next volume. In other words, the single-book format can really affect how you plan your story.

This "single-book format" is also where the most fundamental difference between Japanese manga and OEL/global manga is. Japanese manga is written in serialised format, something that requires a VASTLY different story structure to the current OEL/global manga books. If "The Dreaming" was written as a serial, it would be completely different, with different pacing, and the order of events shuffled around. When Western fans read Japanese manga, they don't care that each volume isn't self-contained, because they know the original format of the manga was in weekly 20-page bits (Though you DO get complaints that "hardly anything happens" in a single volume). The takouban form is just the collected volume of the original format, whereas the OEL/global manga is the other way around. Its original format is in single-book form. People KNOW that. But the difference is now that people expect a story that at least ties up SOME loose ends at the end.

**** Important: This next whole section is complete bullcrap. I hadn't read up on the "three-act structure" for 5 years when I wrote this, and my memory had failed me. What I wrote about the "three-act structure" is completely wrong. Please skip this entire section. ****
The Three-Act Structure
From this perspective, it's almost inevitable that "The Dreaming" is structured in a Three-Act Structure (Edit: No it ain't inevitable. What the heck?!). Does that mean that the three-act structure suits the 3-book format? Heck, no (Edit: Actually, it does it quite well). This is because the 3-book format requires each book to be of equal length, which is NOT what you're supposed to do with the three-act structure (Edit: Not true). The first act, mostly of set-ups and introduction, ought to be shorter than the other two acts, acting as a "hook" to draw the reader in (Edit: I got that part right). Over-extend the first act and your readers will start wondering when the plot is going to start (Edit: Right...). And yet, that's EXACTLY what you have to do for the 3-book format (Edit: Not true). In other words, anybody who uses the three-act structure in the 3-book format is bound to hit against a similar wall (Edit: God, no!).

To be true, nobody complained about that aspect of "The Dreaming" vol1 to my knowledge (except me), but I thought vol1 was too long, and it's a flaw that I couldn't fix as long as I used the three-act structure (Edit: vol1 is NOT too long. I finally read it back-to-back with vol2, and it's not too long at all. If it was a SINGLE self-contained volume, it would have been too long). I could have slashed 1-2 chapters off book 1, but that would require the story flow to change, meaning people reading book 2 for the first time is going to be thrown for a loop since the story structure would be slightly different to book 1 (Edit: I think I was referring to the number of chapters). Obviously, conformity across all three volumes is more important, and besides, I had to hand in at least 150 pages for a book to be complete (Edit: True).

...And let's face it. The three-act structure was never meant to be split into three parts (Edit: Depends how you do it). It's called a three-act structure because it's meant to be a SINGLE STORY (Edit: Uh?). Unfortunately, the 3-book format requires you to do just that (Edit: It does NOT!). If I had another go at "The Dreaming" vol 1, I would combine the first 3 chapters into 2 chapters, and combine chapters 5-6 into a single chapter, while shuffling events at the end of chapter 6 off to 7 (Edit: That's only if it were a one-volume story, and not an on-going story). Oh heck, if "The Dreaming" was a single story told in one go and not broken into 3 parts, I would just write the whole thing differently (Edit: Well, true).
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Momentum Problems
Am I whining about the 3-book format? Yes, I am. I'll just be open about it and say I prefer the Japanese anthology model, where you get serialised stories. Lord knows, I've been flogging the idea of an anthology for long enough. The visual language of Japanese manga was designed for long serialised stories, and that's partly where manga finds its strengths. You're able to develop story arcs over a longer period of time, and plot and character development can be done at a more leisurely pace (that's not to condone stories that can be told in 10 volumes being told in 40).

In fact, part of the reason why "The Dreaming" is only going to be 3 volumes is because I can't keep on wrapping up plot threads at the end of each book. Besides, I've already planned the whole 3 volumes, and it's got a definate ending to it. If the story is to continue after vol3 in the same manner, I can't wrap up ALL of the plot threads, so I have to keep some of them open. Which means I have to completely re-plan the story, which after book2, is too late. At the same time, I have to keep on adding new twists, and giving answers to the questions previous twists raised. How long do you think I can keep something like this going, before it becomes either too complex, or too predictable? I'm not willing to give it a try, especially not when "The Dreaming" is a mystery-horror that requires some level of suspense happening. One of the other problems of the 3-book structure I didn't mention is that any momentum you build up during the volume is destroyed when you end a volume.

You start a volume with the build-up, then you come to the climax. You then have the resolution because you need to end the volume, but when the next volume starts up, you need to start from the bottom of the bell curve again. Why can't you continue on with the climax in the previous volume, and then just start the next one in the middle of your climax, continuing it on from that? Actually, you can do that if your story is longer than 3 volumes, but thanks to "The Dreaming" being a complex mystery story, it's amazingly difficult to continue adding material to it. It's just too self-contained. If I did do it, it'll make too much of an unbalanced reading experience. All-in-all, it makes maintaining suspense quite difficult.

Conclusion
This whole essay has turned into one long complaint about the 3-book format - I said if before and I'll say it again, I just WANT to work in anthology form. That's the base reason for this whole essay - that's right, I'm just finding another excuse to whine for an OEL manga anthology. There's nothing about the 3-book format that is particularly limiting, except that if you wrote a single, self-contained story spanning over 3 books, it's pretty darn difficult to continue that same story from where you left off at the end of book3. Oh heck, it's just hard for "The Dreaming", it shouldn't be hard for anything else. If I have a REAL complaint about the 3-book format, it's that there's a one-year delay in-between each volume, which makes it incredibly hard to build interest when the initial interest wanes. Yep, that's about the only complaint.
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[User Picture]From: [info]solipherus
2006-11-13 11:04 am (UTC)

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I have encountered problems with this. When you get down to it, the original volume 1 of Sea Princess Azuri was nothing but set-up. Then volume 1 got cut, LITERALLY, into two books. Somehow, amazingly, chapter 4 (out of 8) ended on a note that could conceivably end a book, so I didn't actually have to change any script for that. But the fact remains that volume 1 of Azuri is quite literally half a book.

Then, I had to change the original cliffhanger ending (which is now the ending to volume 2) to a NON-cliffhanger ending... which... means I pushed further set-up into a future volume that may or may not ever even happen. o_O;;

I've been getting a lot of complaints in reviews that Azuri plot is far too predictable and cliche. All I can say is, I didn't even finish with the set-up yet. Just, read volume 2 when it comes out and then tell me whether it's cliche...

Also PS to the people on the internet who think I'm an 11 yearold kid..... this book was actually supposed to be written for 10 year old girls, it was supposed to have a new kids line label on the cover and be in the children's section. I don't know, does that mean reviewers should look at it differently?... sorry, tangent there XD
[User Picture]From: [info]queeniechan
2006-11-14 12:42 am (UTC)

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If you slashed off "The Dreaming" v1 at chapter 4, it would have been a note that could end the book 2. But it would have been a dumb thing to do, and I'm sorry to hear that they did that for your book. Personally, I think it's a dreadful idea to suddenly slash a book into two - for the love of god, that will always require rewrites!

Hopefully the nay-sayers will read volume 2 and adjust their attitudes accordingly. :|

the people on the internet who think I'm an 11 yearold kid.....
Are these people nuts? Who on earth thinks you're an 11 year old? Perhaps they think you're 21, and they did a typo?
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-17 06:05 pm (UTC)

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"Just, read volume 2 when it comes out and then tell me whether it's cliche..."

If we didn't like volume one, why should we bother with volume two? Sorry, but I think volume one is your first and possibly only chance to catch the reader's attention.
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-17 11:19 pm (UTC)

Keep it up, Solipherus

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Solipherus, It's obvious you're writing for a younger audience. No prob there. It works. (The big problem is with most other Tokyopop OEL books that are supposed to be for older readers but end up seeming like they were written for 10-year-olds.) Honestly, I think you're the only creator so far in the TP OEL corral who has a talent for visual storytelling. Azuri is the first TP OEL book I've bought *because* of the quality of the art instead of *despite* of it. It's also the first that left me interested in buying the second volume. Keep it up. I'd like to see you do a book geared toward older audiences someday though.
[User Picture]From: [info]jeepersjournal
2006-11-13 03:42 pm (UTC)

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I know from writing pitches it's indeed an awkward structure to come up with plotlines for. You have to make sure everything's pretty tight. I hope in the future, TP creates some kind of venue for serialization [mabye even move into experimenting with monthly comic books again]
[User Picture]From: [info]queeniechan
2006-11-14 12:43 am (UTC)

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Oh, boy is it awkward... for the three-act structure. You don't have to apply the three-act structure to the three-book format though - there are other ways to do it.

But I'm pissed because I prefer serialisation. :)
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-13 04:48 pm (UTC)

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You are so right on so many levels. There are many choices we have to make in that. Sometimes I like the challenge, other times it is hard to kill off the parts that you want in, to trim or streamline the book to fit the format. Nice essay and examples!
[User Picture]From: [info]queeniechan
2006-11-14 12:49 am (UTC)

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Thanks. :D

And I think you'll always have to streamline and trim the story regardless of what format you're writing in. Personally, if the story was serialised, you'll still have to trim and streamline it (unless you want to devote 30 volumes to a single story). :P
[User Picture]From: [info]tentopet
2006-11-13 05:03 pm (UTC)

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Hmm, this has gotten me thinking, because to be honest, I care much more about how the story will be when seen in completion than how it's viewed on the road there. Like, to the point that I almost wish I could it could just be published all at once or just a few months from each other. Because once it's complete, it's complete FOREVER. Ever watch an anime series on DVD and they review what had JUST HAPPENED? Like that--I don't want to do that, or worry about whether people remember little details and have to remind them of it. So now that I think about it, having these books so far apart is so damaging.

I mean, I DID wrap things up in my mind--in book one, Penny beat the system (or did she?). But still...ergh. *starts drawing really fast*

What's the point if all people read is book one and don't get through it all anyway? And I have to rely on good sales to even FINISH the series because I'm sorta in need of four books instead of three. *is frustrated*
[User Picture]From: [info]jtabon
2006-11-13 05:31 pm (UTC)

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Oi...
*hugs for Tento*
I'd buy at LEAST a dozen copies of everyone's book if I could afford it. =(

But it does make me wonder if OEL publishers could maybe take a page from American comics' playbook: waiting till the second (or maybe be working on the third?) issue of a title before even releasing the first volume? A lot of the complaints I've heard about OEL pacing seems to proceed the complaint of the wait between volumes, as if the two were somehow connected (???WTF?); holding off on the release until more is under the artists' belts instead of over might help to quell some of it, and readers might be more conducive to the first volume being set-up.

Serialisation would be the ideal alternative, but it seems as if that's a long way off...
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[User Picture]From: [info]ayvah
2006-11-14 12:16 am (UTC)

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I think setup is generally over-valued.

I'm going to refer to episodic series here, but a recent example I can think of was the first episode of Teen Titans. Being an episodic series, every episode is essentially an entry point. However, after watching the series for a while, I spotted what was quite obviously the first episode.

For some reason, the creators felt that a first episode entailed a large amount of "dramatic posing" and "dramatic dialogue". Mostly, it was just pointless exposition. I was happy to watch the series when it was half-way through without being told explicitly about their powers, why should I need one special episode to tell me? It all becomes obsolete knowledge, anyway.

I remember in screenwriting class, we had to make a pilot episode for a TV series. But we shouldn't use the first episode, she said, because there's too much introduction and you don't really see what the series is truly about.

If people don't need all those introductions in order to understand a pilot episode, why should they need them to understand the first episode? And if the first episode is so weak, then how are you going to pull in your audience in the first place?

A story isn't something that needs to wait on the starting blocks, waiting for the pistol to fire. Just get it running.

On a side-note, the first couple pages of Vol 2 were absolutely awesome. The dialogue was particularly lovely.
[User Picture]From: [info]cro2
2006-11-14 12:20 am (UTC)

Hi, it's Christopher Butcher

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Hi there,

Just wanted to say I liked this article a lot, it really clearly articulates your position. I disagree with much of it and I'll probably write a response to it, but I do understand where you're coming from. I assume this is meant to be a public post and won't be made 'friends-only' any time soon? I'd like to reference it.

Best,

- Christopher
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-14 11:12 pm (UTC)

Soooo Scary!

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Dear Queenie Chan,
The second book is soooo frightening, that I'm having nightmares? It must be really hard to write magna.
[User Picture]From: [info]nervousystem
2006-11-15 01:41 am (UTC)

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I don't understand why the three acts need to run parallel to the three books.

And indeed, in some of the OEL that I've read, they do not.


I would hold up Snow and ECR as evidentiary proof that the problem can be circumvented.


Have Act One end somewhere in the middle of Book One. Then get onto the main conflict and dramatic escalation of action. I've seen first volumes of comics (both OEL and other types) that tell near-complete stories and in the last two pages, introduce Menacing Bad Guy. At this point in a book, new characters are not of interest to readers, so it falls flat. But by simply getting the expository set up down pat about midway through the first book, the author moves on with the plot and has time to introduce the conflict as something important which carries weight. Then, when the book ends on a cliffhanger (but not an act-ender), the reader cares enough to want to continue.


I wouldn't end Book Act Two until the early part of the third book.

The structure of the actual publication doesn't need to mirror that of the story components.
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-23 02:28 pm (UTC)

the dreaming

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I LOVE it and I can't wait for the 3rd one to come outand I can't wait to see what Millie said to Amber. its so suspensful and I think you is a genious and I have read so many of your books and when is the third one coming out?
From: (Anonymous)
2006-11-28 01:24 am (UTC)

The Dreaming 2

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Hi!This is Chelsea if you still remember me.Just to let ya know that I loved The Dreaming 2!It was very surprising and exciting!!!!When will vol.3 come out?Catch ya later.
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From: [info]samael09
2007-02-05 03:03 am (UTC)

The serial format

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THE serialized format has long been the traditional model for American comic books and this format is perhaps what inspired filmmakers like George Lucas and Steven Spielberg to come out with their own film series styled after serials like “Star Wars”, “Indiana Jones” and the short-lived “Amazing Stories” TV series.

The appeal of this format lies in the possibility of coming out with self-contained stories that don’t need a part 1 or 2 for readers to fully understand and grasp the story. The 3-book format may have been done to further expand the characters and their universe for first time readers or readers who’ve been following up the series.

At any rate, the book may simply be a start of other books on the series to follow. A little patience and enthusiasm might help.


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2007-02-16 02:36 am (UTC)

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Is there a preview for vol.3 of The dreaming?
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